Rabbinics

 

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And Joseph would bring evil reports about them to their father—Bereishis 37:2

There is a Midrash that explains the “evil reports” were about Joseph telling his father (Jacob) that his brothers were slaughtering an animal and eating from it before it stopped moving. Although this is halakhically legal in Judaism, it is not so under Noahide Law. For the Noahide, the method of slaughter is not important (it does not have to be kosher slaughter), but the animal must be completely dead; meat cannot be removed and consumed from the animal if it is still twitching.

The problem with this is that it makes the Noahide law more strict than Jewish law. The problem with this problem is that, according to Chullim 33a, Noahide law cannot be as strict or exact as Jewish law. So, in order to comply with this ruling, the rabbis decided that Noahides were, in fact, allowed to eat meat slaughtered by kosher methods even if it technically violated Noahide law.

Keep this in mind as we explore another concept.

There are two methods for deducing halakha, pilpul and sevarah. The Amoraim describe them as “the uprooter of mountains” (pilpul) and the “master of Sinai” (sevarah). As I explained in my book:

“The determination of halakha is not some random guessing game. There is a complex and ancient system of interpretation used by the rabbis to determine halakha using two different modes of analysis: sevarah and pilpul. Pilpul is the dialectical approach, ‘deducing positive from negative and vice versa; drawing inferences from what was omitted and from ostensibly superfluous material.’ The other approach is sevarah, or ‘discovering the reason behind the halakhah, which enables us to compare and contrast different cases.’ Pilpul is a system that takes intensive training as well as an ‘insiders’ understanding of Torah; to determine the fine points of halakha using pilpul is difficult for even the most learned Noahide, and, although certain principles can be applied to Noahide Law, pilpul should be left to the rabbis. Severah, on the other hand, is the logical understanding of halakha, and is certainly within the scope of the Noahide. The Noahide Law is not meant to be as exact or as strict as Jewish Law, so there really is no need to wrestle every conclusion to the finer points of law using pilpul.” —Secular by Design, p. 426.

So we see that using pilpul to work out the details of Noahide law is not something a non-Jew should attempt. As far as Noahides working out the details themselves, here is another footnote from Secular by Design:

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Now we come to the problem. If Noahide law is not to be as exact or as strict as Jewish law, and Noahides are best to work out the details of halakha using sevarah, then why are the rabbis putting out books of picky details on Noahide law using pilpul?

Think about it. Working out the details of each of the Seven Laws is a job for the Noahides themselves, and the method that should be used is sevarah. And in order for these details to be of any use, we would have to have Noahide courts, which means we would have to have not only a new Constitution but an entirely different legal system than we have now. With books such as The Divine Code, the rabbis are focusing on problem number 482. We’re actually on problem number three. We have a long, long way to go before the details can be of any use in a Noahide beis din.

So why are the rabbis determined to be teaching Noahides unnecessary details about the Noahide law? I’m sure there are many reasons, but the one that comes to mind is control. The rabbis want to run the Noahide movement, and so far, they’ve run it right into the ground. All of these particulars about “Noahide halakha” the rabbis are spewing out, the “positive and negative” aspects, none of these things really have any significance to what the Noahides should be focusing on. The message the rabbis are sending is, see how you ignorant goyim with your animal souls cannot mine the Torah for these laws. This is why we should be running the show. This is why the rabbis refuse to teach Noahides about how to use sevarah to determine halakha for themselves. This is why the rabbis are so focused on Rambam and the Rye-vid. This is why the rabbis ignore the view of Ramban and other Torah scholars as to the importance and true nature of the law of Dinim.

The reasons the rabbis give for not teaching Noahides the right thing are many. Among my favorites are because it has never been done, No-no Hides aren’t allowed to read primary sources, and we are afraid that Noahides, if left to their own devices, will turn the Noahide law into a religion. What is sad is that it is the rabbis who are turning the Noahide Code into a religion.

And I need to point out: I am not anti-rabbi in the least. I have studied under them, learned from them, and I wouldn’t be where I am today without their wisdom and teaching. For nearly 2000 years the rabbis have performed a miracle in preserving the Torah and Israel. This puts them in the rare company of saviors of civilization, as Herman Wouk would say.

But the time has come for the Noahides and the rabbis to part company. We have learned “the fundamentals.” The details we can work out for ourselves once we get to that point where we need them.

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17 thoughts on “Rabbinics

  1. Hrvatski Noahid says:

    I wish to give a linguistics analogy. I am not a native speaker of English. Yet my job depends on my English language skills. I write standard English. Standard English has rules. How did I learn those rules? Did I work them out myself? No, I did not. I learned from grammars written by expert native English speakers. Is it better for a Gentile to work out the Law himself? Or is it better to learn from books written by expert Rabbis? I think the answer is clear.

  2. Devash says:

    From a Jewess in Israel who happened upon your blog, I have not seen anything here to disagree with. May you go from strength to strength and see much success.

  3. Elisheva Barre says:

    I would like to relate to this post, but before I do that, I have a question: Are the opinions you express your own, or did you learn them from somewhere and if so, where?

  4. I spent three years studying in a kollel back in the late 1980s, and studied with many other rabbis since. What I learned in the kollel was not only how to study, but what to study. Many of my influences are things that very few other Noahides have studied (Hirsch, Sefer haHinnuch, etc.) This is one of the reasons many of my views are different than what so many of the majority of Noahides have.

  5. Elisheva Barre says:

    Now that the Noahides and the rabbis have parted company, having “learnt the fundamentals and worked out the details for themselves”, why should the nations want to come up to the House of the God of Yakov in order to learn from him his ways so they can walk in his paths? They aleady learnt the ways and already have their own paths!
    It seems Ishaya the Prophet does not know that in the meantime, the nations have parted from the rabbis and created their own ways so they have no need for such a pilgrimage. So according to you, Ishaya is not a true prophet, but a quak – which in turn means that you have no proof-text to justify your “svarah”.

    You can now brush me off as well, or use the Pilpul and Svara technology you learnt in Yeshiva with your kind rabbis to start THINKING.

    • Thinking? Now, how exactly am I supposed to respond to such an emotional and illogical rant?
      What I want is for the Noahide to indeed walk in His path. And His path has nothing to do with keeping Shabbat, keeping kosher, having organized prayers, celebrating Yom Tov, studying kabbalah and all the other things that the rabbis are pushing on the Noahides.

  6. Elisheva says:

    The “rant” mreans that Malbim of course does not allow Noahides to makes their own laws, and if he ddoes he is ranting (but he would have understood my beautiful point. I spoke on a level beyond ground zero, as is fit for a Tanachic lady).
    Not ALL rabbis are pushing Noahides to sin, but ALL Noahides are precluded from becoming rabbis. That is foundation number one of the Noahide Laws.
    If you have a specific question as to any detail of the BN commandments, ask someone who knows. If you did not find one, the correct hallachic procedure is to REFRAIN until you do.
    Now you can tell me I am not a rabbi either… or you can ask me where I get that from – now you can walk your own paths, or follow the right way. That does take some thinking to make the choice.

  7. Elisheva Barre says:

    The “rant” mreans that Malbim of course does not allow Noahides to makes their own laws, and if he ddoes he is ranting (but he would have understood my beautiful point. I spoke on a level beyond ground zero, as is fit for a Tanachic lady).
    Not ALL rabbis are pushing Noahides to sin, but ALL Noahides are precluded from becoming rabbis. That is foundation number one of the Noahide Laws.
    If you have a specific question as to any detail of the BN commandments, ask someone who knows. If you did not find one, the correct hallachic procedure is to REFRAIN until you do.
    Now you can tell me I am not a rabbi either… or you can ask me where I get that from – now you can walk your own paths, or follow the right way. That does take some thinking to make the choice.

  8. Elisheva Barre says:

    Cont.
    Foundation number two:
    A Ben Noah is the one who takes upon himself to live by the BN Laws which God dictated to Moses at Sinai. If not, he might be a wise man from among the nations (which you seem to be), but he is NOT a person who qualifies for the status of Ben Noah, neither will he get a share in the World to Come (which an atheist does not care about anyway).
    Foundation number three:
    The Rambam outlined the Bnei Noah laws in two chapters of the Book of Kings and Wars and he relies upon the student to have learnt what he said before in his Code to understand some of their details. A Ben Noah will need a Jewish scholar to clarify those details, he cannot invent them.
    Foundation number four:
    The Code of the Rambam is “dina d’guemara”, the law as codified by the Sages of Israel in the Talmud. It is not an individual opinion. Anyone who does not accept that (Jew or Gentile) does not know how the Jewish tradition was kept since Sinai and untill this very day (so there are many diviations from it).
    Another point I have to make:
    You have expressed some misconceptions about Messiah, one of them being that he is long to come. Well, you can learn patience from the Jewish people!
    After you have made the above revisions in your outlook (as part of your own learning and Tshuva), we can continue the discussion. And I think you should say thank you, but you do not have to.

  9. A couple of quick questions in response to:
    “If you have a specific question as to any detail of the BN commandments, ask someone who knows. If you did not find one, the correct hallachic procedure is to REFRAIN until you do.”

    1. Noahides are commanded to create laws prohibiting idolatry, and to create courts to enforce the prohibition. The greatest cause of idolatry in this country is Christianity, which violates the Torah on just about every level. So what can the rabbis teach Noahides about organizing and actively campaigning against Christianity in order to destroy it completely, and remove it from our society?

    2. Since the Constitution of the United States makes idolatry legal (among other Torah violations it supports), how can the rabbis teach the Noahides to organize a grass roots movement in order to toss out the Constitution and replace it with something based on Torah?

    Obviously, these two questions are tied together. In order to get rid of a Constitution that violates the Noahide Law, and an idolatrous religion that is legal under this Constitution, how can the rabbis help the Noahides to attain this goal?

  10. Elisheva Barre says:

    1. The laws prohibiting idolatry and obliging to institute courts have already been created in and by Heaven together with the creation of the world. Noahides are not commanded to create, recreate, reform, amend any of these laws, but to live by them. What can the Rabbis teach Noahides? The truth about their laws, as the one I just stated. There is much more to your question which is far-reaching. It needs a dissertation.

    2. There is a distinction between the personal observance of these laws and their application or transgression by the laws of the land. Advocating the observance of the BN commandments as a rule of personal conduct does NOT mean starting a revolution, but could start a grass-root movement. From all the anti-Noahides websites (mainly accusing Jews of wanting to take over the world), you can just measure what you are up against if you want to toss the Constitution and replace it with something Torah-based”.
    Without being a rabbi, at this precise moment, I would say: Vote for Donald Trump! I am very serious. Although it is a personal opinion, it is based on my Torah learning (Hesedyahu asked something about the obligation to vote – see what I replied to him on his blog if you want).

    I like your last question very much. That is indeed the question!
    Well, my reply to Q1 and Q2 is the beginning of the answer to that one.
    Now, what is the “goal” – maybe there is not one goal but different goals, several goals, many goals, arranged on a ladder to climb… until we reach the top – “at the end of days”.
    In the meantime, I suggest you go over the points you disagree with me and reconsider, becasuse if you already set up your mind on one way, that’s the way you will go whatever…

  11. Actually, the Noahide Laws are supposed to be the “law of the land.” A revolution is indeed called for—not by fighting, but by education of the common citizenry. The Torah needs to be taught in our public school systems, colleges and universities. You see, the law of dinim is what expands the “personal observance” into a societal observance. Unless our laws are based on Torah, “personal observance” will not fulfill the observance of Noahide law since dinim cannot be observed fully by the individual. The “anti-Noahide” websites have it right; we are going to “take over” and eliminate Christianity (as well as all organized religions.)

    Even though Trumpet’s daughter converted to Judaism, the Donald is the most anti-Noahide person I could think of to be president. Voting for Trumpet or Billary is a vote for Esau. The system, the Constitution, the Esavian culture has to be eliminated. There is really no other way.

  12. Elisheva Barre says:

    “We” are going to take over…” Who is “we”?! What language!!! And how are you going to do that?
    And how will you “eliminate all religions”? By engaging in a religious war? By teaching what you call “Torah” in schools and universities and creating a new doctrine?
    If you think the anti-Noahides have it right, who are the most vicious haters there ever were, you have it very wrong.
    I can’t really figure out who you are but I see that your plan is to highjack “noahism” for your own crusade. Well, good luck.
    A last word. If you live in the US, I suppose you pay taxes to Essav and feed from his plates… because that is the law of YOUR land and you are part of that system whether you like it or not. So you are stuck: You can’t escape the system, you can’t live with it and you can’t find have a refuge in being a “noahide” because you don’t know what it means… Of course there is a solution – if you got rid of your problems. I pray to God you do.

  13. vote trump??? I have no choice when it comes to the robbery and coercion that is taxes, but where I have a choice, I will not support injustice and the continued undermining of God’s law. although I don’t have to be concerned about American tyranny and slavery, I have the similar challenge when it comes to the British tyrants and the illusion of picking my unjust slave master. and my answer is the same: screw the unjust system! God’s law comes first! Where I have a realistic choice, I won’t support the enemies of God. I may be trapped, but that doesn’t mean i’ll simply bow my head and make the opponents of God’s law of greater importance than God himself.

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